VmWare:

Wed Aug 29 09:53:30 EDT 2001

I have changed the subject line, because this thread appears to be
misleading, and the topic being discussed lately is VmWare.

VmWare, Will run under Linux, Windows NT4, and Windows 2000.  Giving the
user a great deal of flexibility of how they want to install and use it.
Regardless of the operating system that it is installed on, you can run
multiple versions / configurations of all of the operating systems that
it supports.  Which, by the way, goes beyond the 3 I listed above, as
the above 3 being the operating systems that VmWare runs under.  

In answer to the question of VmWare needing X-Windows, the answer is
sort of.  In my research of the product, I was told by the people at
VmWare directly, that X-Windows is needed to install and initial
configure VmWare.  But that, once it is installed, you could launch it
from a bash script, that would launch X and then VmWare.  I was also
told, that you could make this part of a login script, so that when you
logged in to a particular user, you would have the VmWare environment
immediately running.  

If you go to 
www.vmware.com 
and read the documentation there, you will learn more.

Once VmWare is installed, you can then install any of the operating
systems that VmWare supports, and be off to the races.  

Stephen Dawes B.A. B.Sc.
Web Business Office, The City of Calgary
PHONE:  (403) 268-5527. 
FAX: (403) 268-6423
E-MAIL ADDRESS:  Stephen.Dawes at gov.calgary.ab.ca 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Peter M. Konka [mailto:pmk5485 at concentric.net] 
Sent: 2001 August 28 8:08 AM
To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux

Hi,

I honestly don't know if you need X windows to runb the VM Ware 
application...  That would be a good question to ask Janina.

--- Peter

At 10:28 PM 8/27/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Don't you need to use x for vmware?
>Greg
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 05:57:32PM -0400, Peter M. Konka wrote:
> > Shaun,
> >
> >          Before I installed Linux on my laptop, i had the same
question in
> > my head.  Will there be any possible chance that I can install
Windows
> > applications under my Linux machine.  The answer is yes.  You can
install
> > windows applications under linux.  I'm not sure exactly how to do
it, 
> but i
> > do know that you need a Windows emulator called VM Ware.
> >
> >          Now, the person you should speak to about this is Janina,
she
> > explained this to me before.
> >
> >          From my understanding about this Windows eumlator, it
basically
> > turns Linux into windows, and allows you to install any windows
> > applications or drivers.
> >
> >          At the moment, i installed Linux on my brand new Toshiba
> > laptop.  I am running Linux on  a dual boot on this laptop, because
> > I  wasn't sure if my drivers or hardare rather would be compatible
at
> > all...  I heard a lot of good things about linux, and if i learn how
to 
> use
> > it, i am thinking of switching from Windows to linux on this
machine.  And
> > I have other 2 machines at home and work, which the one at work I am
> > thinking of backing up my information and formatting the drive clean
and
> > isntalling Linux as the only operating syste.  And I will also do
that on
> > one of the systems at home.
> >
> > I will keep a Windows machine just in case.  But i have a feeling
that
> > linux will become my new favorite operating system other then dos.
> >
> > --- Peter
> >
> > At 11:28 PM 8/25/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > >I've been following this thread for a while. and haven't decided to
say
> > >something until now.
> > >I'm of the oppinion that linux as an operating system accessable to
the
> > >blind, is streets ahead of it's comercial counterparts.
> > >I say this because as a user of both operating systems, I can see
the 
> place
> > >for both of them. I find that windows in a normal office
environment is a
> > >very powerful tool indeed. However, if I could have the power of
linux and
> > >the ease of use of windows all rolled into one, I'd be a very happy

> camper.
> > >I mean I'd like the nice frilly bits of microsoft word and excell
and all
> > >that but right at the moment, I haven't seen gpl console versions
of 
> either.
> > >Linux is a great workhorse especially if you want to run it as a 
> server box
> > >or as a firewall, but I want the durrability of linux with the ease
of use
> > >of windows but I guess for now I'll just have to learn how to use
linux to
> > >it's full potential.
> > >Don't get me wrong here, I'm not complaining, just stating how I
feel 
> on the
> > >whole issue.
> > >Shaun..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------------
> > >Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World!
> > >http://www.eboom.com/free/
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh at mhonline.net>
> > >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:59 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux
> > >
> > >
> > > > Charlie and all -
> > > >
> > > > Your remarks about DOS are interesting - I was a DOS fan too and

> actually
> > > > never moved to Windows, except to support my Arkenstone Open
Book 
> Unbound
> > > > software. My machine is presently a dual boot machine so I can
se 
> Linux to
> > > > get work done or else at boot time select DOS (I use the Caldera
> > > > OpenDOS) to use my scanner software and one or two other legacy
apps.
> > > >
> > > > If you remember when DOS was introduced in the early 80s,
version 
> 1.X was
> > > > a lot like CP/M; as it was revised to 2.X and then 3.X, it
gradually
> > > > became a lot more like Unix than CP/M, with a hierarchical file
system,
> > > > batch files, and then later versions even had online help.
> > > >
> > > > Now that should tell you something: namely, that Unix was a
mature
> > > > standard for text consoles even in the early 80s when DOS was
being 
> forged
> > > > in Redmond. Linux of course is an Open Source and contemporary
> > > > implementation of Unix, and is therefore a decade ahead of the
game
> > > > compared to DOS.
> > > >
> > > > Linux is also a fundamentally dual personality system, with its
GUI 
> being
> > > > a robust add-on to the underlying text based console system.
> > > >
> > > > Linux was created as Open Source on the internet and is
maintained and
> > > > developed there. It is a fundamental mistake to think of it in
the same
> > > > market terms as the other major OS. Of course there is no market

> for Linux
> > > > accessibility solutions. But there are users and there is need,
and 
> that
> > > > need is being met by and large without benefit of market
concepts.
> > > >
> > > > How do people make a living in the Open Source world? By selling

> services,
> > > > not products. Products in the Open Source world are organic
things. 
> They
> > > > take root, they grow, they live or die on their merits, and they

> both give
> > > > to and take from their users. There would be no Speakup if it
were
> > > > conceived on a marketing model of accessibility solutions,
trust me on
> > > > that one.
> > > >
> > > > So - don't worry about Linux, it is in there for the long haul.
> > > >
> > > > I was recently tempted to spring for a preinstalled Linux system
when I
> > > > last upgraded, but opted for the "rolling my own" solution. I am

> convinced
> > > > that if I had plunked down for a package deal I would have ended
up
> > > > overhauling it anyway.
> > > >
> > > > Will Linux ever be a mass market product suitable for the people

> who check
> > > > their email once a week and want their machine to do what they 
> want, and
> > > > not what they say? Probably not. There may always be a niche for
a
> > > > Windows-type OS with its closely guarded secrets and predatory 
> practices,
> > > > with all the insides protected from meddling users and all the
decision
> > > > details already made for them.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards - and welcome to the list!
> > > >
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (46% of Full)
> > > >
> > > >
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