John G Heim jheim at math.wisc.edu
Wed Jun 8 11:13:45 EDT 2016

Right but my point was  that what you are doing is exactly right. By no 
means am I suggesting you try to get orca to work, I'd be against it if 
you wanted to do that.

I guess another way to make my point would be to say I'm really glad you 
are on this list. I find your commitment to accessibility refreshing. 
Good work. And thanks.

On 06/08/2016 09:11 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 08:45:59AM -0500, John G Heim wrote:
> [cut]
>> In fact, this is an important consideration for the developers of devuan. We
>> aren't talking about some bug in a Windows screen reader that makes it hard
>> for someone to play sudoku on-line.  Admittedly there are other rescue
>> systems around. But if devuan is to become a player, a distro that everybody
>> is familiar with,  it's extremely important that it be accessible. This is
>> not an exaggeration -- the ability of someone to feed their family might
>> depend on it.
> Hi John,
> Thank you for your kind email and sorry for the aggressive quoting on
> my side. I appreciate your take on Orca vs speakup, but we should
> probably recall that what I am developing is a console-only minimal
> live Devuan system, not a full-featured desktop system. That's why
> speakup looked like the most reasonable solution.
> As I said, I don't have that much experience with accessibility. I am
> not visually impaired (sorry for that!), I have never used a hw speech
> synthetizer, and I have barely seen a braille terminal a couple of
> times in my entire life, so I genuinely don't know what are the issues
> there. I am here because I think that people on this list can help, as
> have already done so far, to put in place some good support for
> accessibility.
> My intention was not to cause flames or religious wars here, but
> rather to get feedback on this little project, in the hope that it can
> be also useful to visually impaired users. I am sorry if something
> does not work out-of-the-box, and I am ready to work to fix it, but I
> do need your feedback to be able to do that. A honest feedback, and
> maybe pointers to resources I can use to fill the gaps. That's all I
> am talking about.
>> I don't know how a developer weighs those considerations. What's more
>> important, a bug that keeps a thousand people from playing sudoku or one
>> that keeps ten people from rescuing a web server that is down? I know where
>> I'd come down though.
> I perfectly understand your point, and this is exactly why I thought
> that adding support for visually impaired users in a minimal devuan
> live was a good idea. Not just to play sudoku, but to perform standard
> admin tasks as well.
> For I don't know exactly which reason, I am trying to help, but
> without your comments and suggestions I can't get that far on this
> path.
> KatolaZ

John G. Heim; jheim at math.wisc.edu; sip://jheim@sip.linphone.org

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