[Support] status of our new images and a request (fwd)

Mon Feb 15 18:19:39 EST 2016

I had to reinstall on my Linux machine, and I went with Jesse.  I 
followed the Debian accessibility directions on getting Pulseaudio out 
of the way so that I could continue to use Speakup.  I found that both 
Speakup and Orca spoke, but I also found that I couldn't get sound when 
I tried to listen to streaming on

radio.macinmind.org

using the HTML 5 player.  I got Pulseaudio working again, disabled the 
espeakup service, and created a script to get Speakup talking after I've 
logged in.  I didn't have the non-playing audio problem on my previous 
set-up, where I used Arch Linux and no Pulseaudio (and brought up the 
GUI with startx), so I don't know what I may have done wrong here.  I do 
at least have Speakup available, but will be glad for any thoughts on this.

Al

On 2/15/2016 3:39 PM, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> That may be true for X applications but for pure text console it
> certainly is not. I removed pulse audio many years ago and all apps I
> use on a daily bases such as espeakup, mplayer, aplay, linphone and
> pjsua etc work just fine without pulse audio. They also work in stand
> alone or with many occurrences running at the same time.
>
>    Kirk
>
>
>
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Alonzo Cuellar wrote:
>
>> the problem is... Most applications require pulseaudio. You can choose
>> not to use it, but I'd think that would limit yourself not using
>> certain environments.
>>
>> Alonzo
>>
>>
>> On 02/14/2016 09:21 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>> Oops, I miswrote. The fix here is to compile espeakup against
>>> pulseaudio. This change should not be made upstream, since that would
>>> mean espeakup depends on pulseaudio, and there's certainly no reason
>>> for that.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 08:10:01PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>>> In my experience, speakup works just fine on a system without
>>>> pulseaudio installed. I don't see what the complaint is about below.
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 09:14:40PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:55:58
>>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger at vol.at>,
>>>>>      Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>, support at sonargnulinux.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Support] status of our new images and a request
>>>>>
>>>>> hi
>>>>> We've been wanting to make one for a while. We keep running into
>>>>> either 1, issues with speakup when pulse audio is running, been
>>>>> present for years and no one will own up to it or 2, brltty, which
>>>>> can work as a console screen reader. Right now it doesn't support
>>>>> the espeak fork, called espeak-ng, which sonar has switched to
>>>>> using. It's rather embarrassing, and my own personal opinion is that
>>>>> all the blind users who care about command line access, storm comes
>>>>> to mind, should band together and bug the shit out of the speakup
>>>>> people until they fix their bug. It's actually a combination of
>>>>> speakup, and the fact that speakup runs in the kernel, which means
>>>>> it runs as root, which means it's not subject to user permissions.
>>>>> Why that means it doesn't produce sound I'm not sure, but it
>>>>> doesn't. If pulse audio isn't running this just works, but otherwise
>>>>> ... shrug.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Eigeldinger via Support wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ah sorry forgot about the command line users.
>>>>>> maybe interesting when there will be maybe some console based sonar
>> isos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> greetings,
>>>>>> simon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 14.02.2016 um 17:40 schrieb Jude DaShiell:
>>>>>>> youtube-viewer I use on talkingarch and would install and use
>>>>>>> that if
>>>>>>> accessible in graphical environment if accessible.  When I want to
>>>>>>> search for channels in youtube-viewer I know how to do that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2016, Simon Eigeldinger via Support wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 05:23:12
>>>>>>>> From: Simon Eigeldinger via Support <support at sonargnulinux.com>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger at vol.at>
>>>>>>>> To: support at sonargnulinux.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Support] status of our new images and a request
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's my take at the package liss:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> packages-desktop:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maybe getting ried of:
>>>>>>>> elinks: Is someone using that? seems not to work on my system.
>>>>>>>> youtube-viewer: never used it used firefox.
>>>>>>>> rythmbox: replacing it with audacious? gtk ipod tool is
>>>>>>>> installed as
>>>>>>>> well. no good solution?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe packages to be added:
>>>>>>>> veracrypt from aur: disk and container encryption tool. pretty
>>>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>>>> audacious: maybe better than rythmbox
>>>>>>>> corebird: twitter client. pretty accessible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> packages-gnome: no ideas what to remove or add.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> packages-mate: no ideas what to remove or add.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> greetings,
>>>>>>>> simon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 14.02.2016 um 02:58 schrieb kendell clark via Support:
>>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>>> Here goes. Packages-desktop, which is common packages that both
>>>>>>>>> gnome
>>>>>>>>> and mate use, is pasted hear.
>>>>>>>>> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/4Ykrak83Bhg4BjZF2EmH/.
>> Packages-gnome
>>>>>>>>> can be seen hear.
>>>>>>>>> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/o03gJEMO8B4IyN81dOcw/.
>> Packages-mate
>>>>>>>>> can be seen hear,
>>>>>>>>> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/RDbaW2X3Legc3zLOt63Y/.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hadi via Support wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Kendell, Is it possible that you pastebin the mentioned files
>>>>>>>>>> so we
>>>>>>>>>> could take a look at it? There are some great pastebin sites like
>>>>>>>>>> slexy.org.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/13/2016 2:56 PM, kendell clark via Support wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> hi all
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it's been long enough. I've been working with phil and
>>>>>>>>>>> teo to
>>>>>>>>>>> improve the accessibility of calamares, but it's just not
>>>>>>>>>>> there yet
>>>>>>>>>>> so I'm going to release new gnome and mate images with our old
>>>>>>>>>>> installer, thus, instead. I've waited more than long enough and
>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>> write back in as soon as the 32 bit and 64 bit images are
>>>>>>>>>>> uploaded.
>>>>>>>>>>> Before I upload the images though, I want to do some serious
>> cleanup
>>>>>>>>>>> on our software selection. I've tried installing just about
>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>> piece of software under the sun that a blind person might
>>>>>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>>>>>>> want on the live image, mainly to show a newcomer exactly what
>> linux
>>>>>>>>>>> can do. But I think it's more than past time to thin the
>>>>>>>>>>> selection,
>>>>>>>>>>> at least on the live images, considerably. Would all of you who
>> can,
>>>>>>>>>>> clone our software repository and look at the Packages-Desktop
>> file,
>>>>>>>>>>> as well as the main packages-gnome and packages-mate files
>>>>>>>>>>> and tell
>>>>>>>>>>> me what software can be cut? The image sizes are getting out of
>>>>>>>>>>> control, they've just surpassed the 2.0 gb mark, and I'd like to
>> trim
>>>>>>>>>>> that down. To get our git repository, open a terminal and
>>>>>>>>>>> issue the
>>>>>>>>>>> following commands. Git clone
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/manjaro/manjaro-tools-iso-profiles.git.
>>>>>>>>>>> Wait for
>>>>>>>>>>> it to clone, it shouldn't take too long, then change into the
>> folder,
>>>>>>>>>>> then into the sonar folder. The packages-desktop file is shared
>>>>>>>>>>> between the gnome and mate profiles, so it's in the shared
>>>>>>>>>>> folder.
>>>>>>>>>>> The others are in the gnome and mate folders, respectively.
>>>>>>>>>>> Again,
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll write back in when the images are uploaded but I'll wait on
>>>>>>>>>>> community feedback so I know what to remove, and once I have
>>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll then build the images and upload them to sourceforge. I'm
>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> sorry for the long delay, but I was trying to get calamares
>>>>>>>>>>> into a
>>>>>>>>>>> usable state, but it's just not there yet. Thank you all of
>>>>>>>>>>> you who
>>>>>>>>>>> have been patient and waiting for new images, it's definitely
>>>>>>>>>>> been
>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> little more trouble than last time, that's for sure, grins.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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