Any News on cut-and-paste bug?

[Al Sten-Clanton]

Is there a layman's explanation you can give or point to about why 
Speakup's working "around the kernel" is a bad approach?  I ask because 
I've understood one virtue of it to be that it's what allows a blind 
person using a hardware speech output device to get information almost 
as early as a sighted person can on boot-up.

I admit knowing very little about the kernel.  I've just begun stucying 
C in the hope that some day I might be able to help with problems like 
this.  (This was prompted by recent discussions about accessibility--or 
comparative lack of it--on Red Hat and Fedora.)

Incidentally, if somebody knowledgeable on the matter thinks I'd be 
superfluous or wasting my time, feel free to say so and explain why.

Thanks!

Al

On 05/01/2013 03:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 05:46:28PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> John G. Heim, le Wed 01 May 2013 10:42:39 -0500, a écrit :
>>> They did, however, take the time to criticize the speakup code itself.
>>
>> I'm afraid that's for a good reason: speakup works around the kernel,
>> that's not an approach that can work on the long term.
>
> Samuel is correct.
>
> I haven't heard anything on lkml indicating that there is a vendetta
> against speakup being in the kernel; it is just a very complex issue
> to solve, and no one has found a solution yet.
>
> Basically, staging/speakup/serialio.c needs to be completely rewritten,
> or possibly thrown out. The problem is that it uses hard coded addresses
> for the serial ports instead of communicating with them through the
> kernel serial port driver. That is why we are having more and more
> systems lately where speakup is having issues with serial ports. This is
> also why Samuel correctly says that speakup is working around the
> kernel.
>
> The proper solution to this issue would be to have a way that speakup
> can interface with the kernel serial port drivers.
>
> It will take some rewriting on the kernel side, as well as in speakup,
> to give us that functionality. It all comes down to time, and figuring
> out how to make this happen.
>
> William
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