some semi technical questions

[Janina Sajka]

OK. I'm not trying to stop anything you have in mind. I'm simply trying
to suggest you consider the full panoply of available tools before
jumping in.


I understand Irssi already has sophisticated Windows support. But Live
Regions support in the accessibility APIs wasn't invented to provide
windows support where none existed. It was created to make those regions
more manageable for people using assistive technology, speech, braille,
magnification, alternative input, etc.

So, I don't understand why you're telling me Irssi already has Windows
support. Clearly, you're thinking that isn't enough, or you wouldn't be
brain storming adding some kind of functionality to make Irssi more
useful to screen reader users. Clearly, you don't think Irssi is enough
on its own.

Janina



Rob Hudson writes:
> Irssi already has the framework for dealing with windows. In effect
> all this script is doing is putting in some additional functions.
> I'll need to learn a bit more about perl and irssi's approach to it
> in particular, but I think you are trying to make things a bit more
> difficult than it needs to be. Once I do get something working, I
> will report back to the list. But I'm a slow learner, grin.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka"
> <janina at rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: some semi technical questions
> 
> 
> >Rob Hudson writes:
> >>Why couldn't  irssi interface directly with speech-dispatcher?
> >
> >
> >I suppose it could. But aren't you then taking on supporting more of the
> >spoken interface than you otherwise would? For instance, with the API
> >approach you can take advantage of builtin support for live regions.
> >Going the sd route, you'd have to replicate that in code, imo. Seems to
> >me tracking smart regions might be a useful way to manage multiple
> >windows and irc channels.
> >
> >Janina
> >
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka"
> >><janina at rednote.net>
> >>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> >><speakup at linux-speakup.org>
> >>Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 1:02 AM
> >>Subject: Re: some semi technical questions
> >>
> >>
> >>>If I understand you, you want to turn irssi into a self-voicing app. If
> >>>so, you're best off using the GTK version, imo, so that you can pass
> >>>text strings directly to AT-SPI. I don't see how you would achieve this
> >>>kind of object oriented approach with Speakup.
> >>>
> >>>But, perhaps I misunderstand?
> >>>
> >>>Janina
> >>>
> >>>Rob Hudson writes:
> >>>>I am going to be writing a speech interface for irssi, similar
> >>>>to that which is already present in mirc. That was one of the
> >>>>things I immediately missed upon my switch to linux.
> >>>>Would it be better to have the scripts send messages to
> >>>>something like speech-dispatcher, or can messages be queued and
> >>>>sent directly to speakup itself? This project is only in the
> >>>>idea phase now, so i'm drawing a blueprint of how I want it to
> >>>>go.
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> >>>
> >>>-- >
> >>>Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
> >>>sip:janina at asterisk.rednote.net
> >>>Email: janina at rednote.net
> >>>
> >>>Linux Foundation Fellow
> >>>Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
> >>>
> >>>The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> >>>Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
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> >>>
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> >-- 
> >
> >Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200
> >sip:janina at asterisk.rednote.net
> >Email: janina at rednote.net
> >
> >Linux Foundation Fellow
> >Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
> >
> >The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> >Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
> >Indie UI http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/
> >
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Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
			sip:janina at asterisk.rednote.net
		Email:	janina at rednote.net

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:	http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Chair,	Protocols & Formats	http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
	Indie UI			http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/