Also, if you're going to use dos let's not forget about asap... from Microtalk... it's not free unless you know someone who's got a copy, but it's pretty fine for dos... and it's use of the numpad is probably what inspired speakup... though not nearly as powerful as speakup... Cheereo! -- Email services by FreedomBox. Surf the Net at the sound of your voice. www.freedombox.info