new alsa-tools releases!

[Janina Sajka]

I want you to understand that I'm doing my very best to be patient with
you. But, you're not providing any answers that I can understand. I
don't think you intend to be unhelpful, I think quite the opposite.
However, you are, in effect, being something you don't intend to be.

Your answer to the frames question below is an excellent example. Ryan
asked you what frames have to do with alsa-tools. He explicitly stated
that frames are something to do with web browsers as he understands the
term.

So, if you come back and start talking about what speakup does or
doesn't do about frames, you haven't answered his question. In order to
answer it, you need first to provide a definition. What kind of frame
are you talking about? What is it? How is it used? What applications
work with it? What is the difference between the way things were, and
the way they are after your code was introduced.

You may know these answers, but you shouldn't go around assuming that
everyone else has that knowledge in their heads. People are all
different. We all have very different things in each of our heads. Some
of us may be very technically capable with computers and still not have
a clue of what you're talking about.

I guess I resemble that last remark of mine.

kevin writes:
> From: "kevin" <kjsisco at rcn.com>
> 
> The frameviewer allows frames to be more easily recognized in speakup
> because let's be honist.  Screen readers are a bit shaky with that.  Also,
> you can specify which type of interface in an application (such as mdi.)
> This solves alot of issues.
> Kevin
> email:
> kjsisco at rcn.com
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ryan Mann" <rmann at rmisp.net>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: new alsa-tools releases!
> 
> 
> > I also have a question.  What is the frame viewer?  This sounds like
> > something to do with a web browser and I don't know what the ALSA tools
> > have to do with that.
> > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, Janina Sajka wrote:
> >
> > > kevin writes:
> > > >
> > > > Well I will admit that speakup may not be ready for such technology,
> but I
> > > > assure you I did much more than pull them together
> > >
> > > Kevin:
> > >
> > > I still don't understand you. The alsa-tools package uncompresses to
> > > show the following directories:
> > >
> > >
> > > ac3dec/  as10k1/    envy24control/  hdsploader/  sb16_csp/  seq/
> sscape_ctl/
> > > t vxloader/
> > >
> > > So, which one are you talking about?
> > >
> > > And, how do I use it? I understand about compiling, but I'm just not
> > > clear what you're talking about.
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Scott Howell" <showell at lrxms.net>
> > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 5:49 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: new alsa-tools releases!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Yes Kevin, I had a look over the tools and after I had asked you
> about
> > > > > them in an E-mail you told me I must get them as they were somehow
> > > > > important to Speakup.
> > > > > Well to be honest I grabbed the package, read over the readme files,
> and
> > > > > honestly couldn't find anything in there that would be of any use to
> me.
> > > > > Of course this is me personally, but maybe I'm missing something.
> Looks
> > > > > like these packages were put together by others so you just pulled
> them
> > > > > together?
> > > > >
> > > > > tnx
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
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Janina Sajka
Email: janina at rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org