Speakup and phoebe

Aaron Howell aaron at kitten.net.au
Thu Mar 27 19:59:43 EST 2003

You're right, I apologize.
Its just that my dealings WRT accessibility of redHat products have been less than positive.
That might be a function of RedHat Asia pacific though, 
and isn't necessarily the case in the U.S.
I could tell you an absolute nightmare story about me and the RHCE exam, but I'll keep it off-list.
(yes, I did pass, but no thanks to RedHat making it as hard as they possibly could for me to take part).
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 07:19:55PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> I don't know about your analysis. I do know, however, that not everyone at Red Hat resists accessibility, even if some folks there don't understand what it means and
> why it belongs in Red Hat distributions. I can't agree with this blanket indictment because I happen to have direct and specific knowledge to the contrary. Please
> understand that I am not trying to invalidate any experience you might have had. I'm simply saying that oversimplifying and painting the entire company with
> categorical statements like yours is neither helpful nor accurate.
> Aaron Howell writes:
> > From: Aaron Howell <aaron at kitten.net.au>
> > 
> > RedHat didn't drop speakup.
> > They never included it in the first place.
> > The fact that speakup made it into redHat 8 was entirely to do with the fact that they were using an alan Cocks patched version of 2.4.18,
> > which happened to include speakup.
> > Now they aren't using a -ac kernel so no more speakup.
> > it wasn't a conscious decision on the part of RedHat.
> > RedHat in fact is very resistant to including third party accessibility software - just try to get permission to use speakup or any other screen reader for that matter in your RHCE exam and find out how much success you don't have.
> > This is a bit of an inditement on RedHat actually, but its a good thing for distros like Slackware and Debian who can create a bit of a nitch market amongst the vision impaired.
> > Regards
> > Aaron
> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 06:17:26AM -0600, Adam Myrow wrote:
> > > So, why did Redhat choose to drop Speakup from their next version?  It
> > > sounds like maybe somebody didn't like the modified kernel.  So, they
> > > should have done like Slackware and gave the user a choice of a
> > > Speakup-enabled kernel or not.  BTW, Slackware 9.0 just came out and has
> > > Gnome 2.2 with accessibility plug-ins, and still supports Speakup.  It is
> > > down to a boot disk and two root disks to install, but also has a third
> > > option which is some sort of boot manager on a separate disk that will
> > > supposedly boot a CDROM even on computers that otherwise can't boot one.
> > > I don't know if this will speak or not, but it sure sounds interesting.  I
> > > sure hope Redhat reconsiders dropping Speakup as it is a major step in the
> > > wrong direction.
> > > 
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