to be fare, I'd have to agree with luke on this score. I've submitted my thoughts to geoff in a private email on this matter and have no desire to see any such cold canvusing on a list such as this. -- Shaun Oliver "We're upgrading /dev/null" EMAIIL: shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au ICQ: 76958435 MSN: blindman_2001 at hotmail.com YAHOO: blindman01_2000