even with dsl greg you're limited by the tos, and in alot of cases it boils down to if you want servers and shit u pay the $$$ for them. -- Shaun Oliver "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." email: shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman