8.0 problems.

[Bear in SFO]

They do have EmacsSpeak don't they?!  At least that's what I was told at 
Linux World 2002...

At 08:11 PM 10/6/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Can anyone tell me the problems Jason had in getting his certification.
> From what I've seen RH putting Speakup in to their distro is a good thing 
> nad their supporting accessibility of technology not taking it away or 
> refusing to let it in to the distro.
>
>As of now Speakup is supported by both RH and Slack. And as for the most 
>GPL heavygroup Debian, Speakup won't be in that distro for quite some time 
>to come I suspect aside from the modified installers we make.
>I've actually tried several times to see about getting speakup included in 
>to the distro and the idea I got back from them was basically, its a nice 
>product but doesn't benefit the majority of us so we won't include it in 
>to the install process.
>In a way I do see their point because there's not only that issue to deal 
>with we'd also have to make it work on all the different machine types 
>debian runs on and we don't have any way of testing this.
>
>So to those who think RH is the bad guy in this market their not in my 
>opinion.
>
>Hate to say it this way but when people think of linux they think of Red 
>Hat so having Speakup out there for the general public to get their hands 
>on is a good thing.
>
>Tommy
>
>
>
>On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 01:27:13PM -0700, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
> > Hi Adam,
> >
> > Oh, well, RedHat has clearly shown its distain for open standards and the
> > entire open-source GPL principle through its poor handling of accessibility
> > issues surrounding its certification exams and its course materials.
> > Further, RedHat may have even shown malice toward at least one blind 
> person,
> > by doing almost everything possible to try and stand in his way of earning
> > his RHCE certification.  Jason's testimonial of how RedHat attempted to
> > deliberately stand in his way of earning his RHCE is still resonating 
> within
> > me, and I'm still trying to figure out how to channel this new anger toward
> > RH in order to get them to make appropriate changes!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Myrow" <amyrow at midsouth.rr.com>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: 8.0 problems.
> >
> >
> > > On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > Seems to me you can't have it both ways, logically speaking. Not that
> > > > anyone needs to be logical, I guess. But, I don't understand the
> > > > principles you seem to be trying to espouse here. What are they,
> > > > exactly?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I guess what I am trying to say is that Redhat is breaking compatibility
> > > for no logical reason other than to promote themselves as being ahead of
> > > the pack.  Dropping MP3 support in this release, stating that they are
> > > dropping Lilo in the next release, and this clock thing.  It has nothing
> > > to do with the GPL here.  The GPL lets them do all this, but I just don't
> > > agree with the whole idea.  Let me ask you something.  Suppose the next
> > > release of Redhat decides to drop DOS and VFAT filesystem support.  Would
> > > that not upset a lot of people who still expect to be able to read their
> > > Windows partitions in Linux?  They could argue that they are dropping
> > > support for FAT and VfFAT because by supporting these filesystem formats,
> > > they are supporting a closed OS.  You have to draw the line somewhere in
> > > how rigidly you will follow the teachings of Richard Stalman and how much
> > > you will support those who are trying to migrate from the closed world of
> > > Windows to the open world of Linux.  Consumers are hard to change, so we
> > > need to slowly pull them to Linux.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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