Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Chuck. Very good points. You're absolutely right on the expert thing.
Everyone who installs Linux will be invited to become an expert at how
their system works, and many will accept the invitation. However, sadly,
many will keep playing the M$ game, and be masked from the underlying
hardware and software by a silly gui that doesn't promote all the
functionality I would expect from an operating system for example.

May you code in the power of the source,
may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.

On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:

> Hi Ed and Mike,
>
> Ed, thanks for your thoughtful reply to Mike's complaint. The
> argument Mike made is sadly all too familiar to me after a career
> teaching students most of whom did not want to learn, but only
> wanted to "get their tickets punched" for meeting the minimum
> requirements.
>
> I struggled for years with how to respond to that problem.
> Sometimes I tried to address the needs of the poorer students on
> the theory that better students will get it anyway, no matter
> what I do, and it is the poorer ones who need maximum attention.
> So I tried to be 'user friendly'. What I found was that better
> students were in fact not learning all that well, and everybody
> gravitated toward the LCD (least common denominator). And
> sometimes I just pushed for excellence which delighted the best
> students and offended the followers. I often had folks come to my
> office in some distress to ask, "Do we have to know all that
> stuff?" That was so sad. One time a student spoke to me just
> before class and said he had missed the last class session. He
> wanted to know if I had said anything important.
>
> Providing a user friendly OS that can be installed by a
> disinterested novice entirely automatically is much like teaching
> to the 'C' student. It spreads the word and gets everyone
> started, but it also blocks the way forward for those who not
> only want to know what is happening, but who will assimilate that
> knowledge and build on it.
>
> Mike's argument for a painless install geared to a naive beginner
> is actually an elitest argument that deprives the beginner of
> immediate and beneficial contact with his system. Not everyone
> will go on to become an expert, but everyone will be invited to
> do so, and many will accept the invitation.
>
> Before the days of political correctness we never used the term
> 'user friendly'. I think we meant just about the same thing when
> we boasted that something was designed to be 'idiot proof'.
>
> Congratulations to Janina for pursuing the CSUN presentation. I
> am not sure that live streaming is critical, but a good tape
> recording converted to a digital format would be a wonderful
> resource. Oh yes, and I would plug for the ogg/vorbis format too.
>
> Chuck
>
> PS - I am really happy to be retired - it gives me a chance to
> finally think about what I have been up to all this while.
>
>
> On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Ed Barnes wrote:
>
> > Hi Mike, sounds like you are easily impressed and before you get the
> > temptation to flame might I tell you that I nailed the install using
> > speakup on first try, I have done it a few times since.
>
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