interesting experiment.

Janina Sajka janina at afb.net
Mon May 20 01:01:10 EDT 2002 

Yes, I have the same impression.

Unfortunately, that puts him in a bit of a bind, but only until
he gets over his beginner's hump with emacspeak and his internal
DEC Talk. He should be OK after that.

On Mon, 20 May 2002, Deedra Waters wrote:

> >From some of the comments he's made both  on and off list I get the
> impression that money is a major issue. meaning that he 1 can't afford to
> get a new synth to fully use speakup and 2 he can't afford to pay for
> software either.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 20 May 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Greg:
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure he isn't using Speakup. He doesn't have a
> > supported synth. He telnets from his Windows machine, as I
> > recall, and he's tried using ViaVoice directly with emacspeak. Of
> > course, the latter is a very steep learning curve.
> > 
> > Still, he's got the DEC Talk internal, and emacs with or without
> > emacspeak is worth learning. Without emacspeak, he can run it
> > over telnet--but I doubt JFW is all that great as a telnet
> > client's screen review program. Also, the default Microsoft
> > telnet is pretty lame. I would think this setup is fraught with
> > frustration.
> > 
> > So, emacspeak with that DEC Talk is probably his smartest option
> > right now, with the telnet as a back up to avoid rebooting.
> > 
> > I have also suggest yasr and eflite, but he's insisting on
> > nothing less than Eloquence for free, so the DEC Talk is probably
> > the best compromise.
> > 
> > Another option would be a better screen reader for telnet and a
> > better telnet client. That would mean a good DOS screen reader
> > like asap or Vocal-Eyes, assuming he can actually run DOS on that
> > Windows machine. Neither of those is very cheap, though, and
> > spending that much money would be dumb, because he could get a
> > good Doubletalk for less than the cost of that software.
> > 
> > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > 
> > > We're all assuming he's using speakup since he's here. But from all of Tedy's comments in other posts, I am beginning to get the impression that he's not, since he seems to be asking for screen readers which support software tts.
> > > Greg
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 10:58:09PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote:
> > > > Try man < emacs|less then use the speakup keys to read line by line, or
> > > > word by word if you wish. you can bring up the next page by hitting the
> > > > space bar.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, 20 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Please enlighten me.
> > > > > I never used the Jaws cursor in the new HTML help  format under Windows.
> > > > > Select an item in the tree view, press enter, then press F6 and it will
> > > > > automaticly start reading that help item. It is a simple HTML file there,
> > > > > and it works exactly as simple as Internet Explorer.
> > > > > You don't need the Jaws cursor at all.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You needed the Jaws cursor only for some bad designed help files in the old
> > > > > .hlp format.
> > > > > Now in the new .chm format, you don't have any problems.
> > > > > 
> > > > > But this doesn't matter too much. Please tell me how to navigate the man
> > > > > pages.
> > > > > I type man mv, for example.
> > > > > It starts to print all the help file, but maybe I want to move with a page
> > > > > up then down, etc.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I know this is possible. Thanks.
> > > > > Teddy,
> > > > > orasnita at home.ro
> > > > > 
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au>
> > > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:05 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > SNIP
> > > > > > > You open a window, and it explains you what you should do there.
> > > > > > > You have to press the space bar to check some checkboxes, to press some
> > > > > > > buttons, etc, and if you don't know something, press shift+f10 (or the
> > > > > right
> > > > > > > mouse button and choose "what's this?" or press F1 to view the help file
> > > > > > > wich is much much more easier to navigate than the man pages under
> > > > > Linux.
> > > > > SNIP
> > > > > 
> > > > > A fake.
> > > > > man pages under GNU/Linux are a lot easier to navigate than windows help
> > > > > pages.
> > > > > you need to route the jaws cursor to the pc and then fart around trying to
> > > > > find what you were looking for.
> > > > > even with the new features in jfw I seriously doubt you could navigate a
> > > > > help file easier than a man page..
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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> > 				Technology Research and Development
> > 				Governmental Relations Group
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

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