interesting experiment.

Ed Barnes edbarnes at anomaly.2y.net
Sun May 19 01:50:57 EDT 2002 

Hi Janina.
If anyone really cares to know I'll take ifconfig, ifconfig eth0, or 
ifconfig eth1 for example over ipconfig /all or winipcfg /all any day. 
Also, as a somewhat related note, wonder why when you look at ipconfig 
or winipcfg on windows it calls the mac the physical address, it'd be 
better to refer to it in the way that Linux does in my humble opinion.
Jmo.

Ed Barnes
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On 
Sun, 19 May 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:

> I just supplied my 802.11b card's mac address to our headquarters
> IT Dept so they can add me to the table of allowed connections.
> 
> I had a DSL provider a few years ago that had the same
> requirement.
> 
> So glad it's easier to get this data under Linux. Of course, the
> Win screen readers may be doing a better job of the screen that
> gives the mac address under Windows. I don't know because I
> haven't tried it in a few years. It used to be very hard to get
> at.
> 
> 
> On Sun, 19 May 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> > Ok, why would one need to know their nic's mac address under windows 9x?
> > I've never had to, and I used windblows extensively for a good while.
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 12:49:52AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> > > 
> > > > If you know a good text editor under Linux please tell me.
> > > 
> > > emacs and/or vim. You'll never need anything else. So, learn them
> > > or go back toWindows.
> > > 
> > > > Well, under Windows, you don't need to remember anything at all.
> > > 
> > > That's not true. What is your card's mac address? Go ahead. Find
> > > it.
> > > Then tell us you don't need to remember anything.
> > > 
> > > > You open a window, and it explains you what you should do there.
> > > > You have to press the space bar to check some checkboxes, to press some
> > > > buttons, etc, and if you don't know something, press shift+f10 (or the right
> > > > mouse button and choose "what's this?" or press F1 to view the help file
> > > > wich is much much more easier to navigate than the man pages under Linux.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > Teddy,
> > > > orasnita at home.ro
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:14 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > OK, let's take this one question at a time ...
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Are there any games accessible for the blind under Linux, like under
> > > > > Windows?
> > > > > Please tell me some web addresses.
> > > > 
> > > > I was with you until you said "like Windows." I have no idea
> > > > about Windows. I know nothing about it.
> > > > 
> > > > But, if you want games, you can find them. Maybe they're better,
> > > > maybe not. But they're out there. Emacs comes with games, and
> > > > some are speech enabled by emacspeak. The only game I really know
> > > > much about is gnu chess which can be obtained from
> > > > http://www.gnu.org.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm generally too interested in things to play games on my
> > > > computer. Last thing I'm likely to do, so I'm out of knowledge
> > > > here.
> > > > 
> > > > > Are there any good sound editing programs for Linux, like Sound Forge,
> > > > Cool
> > > > > Edit, Gold Wave, etc, and programs for creating MIDI music, like Cake
> > > > Walk?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > There's ecasound and sox. Very accessible. And there's
> > > > gramophone. I recently came across a java midi patch editor, but
> > > > I haven't had the time to get it working yet to find out about
> > > > its accessibility. Admitedly, these are less functional than the
> > > > Windows apps you mention for many tasks. Is this what you do? Or
> > > > are these academic questions?
> > > > 
> > > > > Is there a text editor, that has macro features, Regular expressions, the
> > > > > ability to save in Windows/Mac/Unix format, etc?
> > > > 
> > > > What is Mac format? I've never heard of that. And what is Windows
> > > > format?
> > > > And, why would you care?
> > > > 
> > > > Is there powerful text editing, formatting, scripting? Of course
> > > > there is. Far more powerful than in Windows or Mac. There are
> > > > probably too many to mention, actually. Linux/Unix has the
> > > > proprietary world beat hands down on this one.
> > > > 
> > > > Those format questions are themselves silly. You don't need them.
> > > > You certainly don't need them to communicate with anyone, or to
> > > > print out lovely reports, or design lovely e-content for on line
> > > > publishing, etc.
> > > > 
> > > > In fact, you do better to forget them and use the superior tools
> > > > available on Linux.
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > ... Just a few things that camed to mind.
> > > > >
> > > > > A lot of things are accessible, but ... harder to learn, harder to
> > > > configure
> > > > > and harder to use, if I am not so bright to remember 1000 command line
> > > > > parameters.
> > > > 
> > > > Give me a break. Grow up. How do you remember 1,000 dialog boxes.
> > > > How do you remember where to tell windows to show extensions to
> > > > files, for example. Or how about finding your ethernet card's mac
> > > > address. Do you remember that? I could go on. This is another
> > > > bogus argument.
> > > > 
> > > > But, if you think the gui is actually superior, you're going to
> > > > lose this excuse soon enough. GNOME is coming. What sad song are
> > > > you going to sing then?
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for the links.
> > > > > Teddy,
> > > > > orasnita at home.ro
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> > > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:59 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 18 May 2002, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
> > > > > > I just wish Linux were
> > > > > > a more viable general purpose workstation; I use Windows for that
> > > > purpose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Darrell:
> > > > >
> > > > > Just wondering what you think is missing from Linux' desktop
> > > > > applications.
> > > > >
> > > > > In case this sounds loaded, it might be. The underlying question
> > > > > might be: Is it your knowledge deficit, or is it Linux itself?
> > > > > For my own experience in this matter, I've found it's my
> > > > > knowledge deficit almost without exception.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > Governmental Relations Group
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> > > > 
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