Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

Thu May 16 21:55:30 EDT 2002

Yes that's great.

Teddy,
orasnita at home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Erik Heil" <eheil at rcn.com>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

Actually, Gnome 2.0 will have accessibility built in, as in support for
braille displays and software synths I think.  I also believe that its safe
to say that they might use Festival which is the best open-source software
synth available out there.  I know for a fact that I'll be really excited to
see what Gnome is like and also KDE 3.x or whatever version will have such
accessibility build in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita at home.ro>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'

> Right again, but until a GUI will be accessible for the blind in the same
> conditions like in Windows (without requiring a hardware sinthesizer which
> is very expensive comparing it with a software one, Linux OS will stay
> behind, for the blind community, of course.
>
> It will be a good idea to start developing that graphical interface with
> accessibility in mind, something like the Microsoft active accessibility.
>
> Teddy,
> orasnita at home.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow at gmx.net>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> I think linux would be widely used if a windowslike gui was developed for
> it, so the average person could use it.  Also getting the message out that
> linux isn't just for developers or server admins would help.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita at home.ro>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
>
>
> > You're absolutely right.
> > I don't like Windows or Microsoft or Bill Gates, but Linux definitely
has
> > problems.
> > It is a lot much harder to use than Windows.
> >
> > If it would be  such a great OS, more people would use Linux not
Windows.
> > And in addition, it is free.
> >
> > Teddy,
> > orasnita at home.ro
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ameer Armaly" <Ameer_Armaly at hotmail.com>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 3:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > Hi all.
> > What would you rather do.  Check checkboxes, or arrow through config
files
> > (which make no sense att all!).  Everybody knows it, windows rules in
the
> > sense that the non-programer can use it.  It also isn't dependant on
> > confusing drivers that are almost impossible to configure because of
there
> > confusingness.  now, if linux were a little less unix-style in the sense
> > that it requires the time and patience of a programer, I would take a
> second
> > look.  My friend at ms agrees.  He used linux for 4 years, and says that
> > you're not very far in most areas than you were three years ago.  Also,
> why
> > should you have to use cat to print files.  There should be a simple
> "print"
> > command, like in dos (which is a lot more user-friendly than linux), and
> > these extreemely long and borring paths shouldn't be so cumbersome.  I
> > should know, zI like command-lines, but I'd rather type "print
> > /etc/httpd/conf/http.conf" rather than use cat.  Also, why not have html
> in
> > email.  It only makes it easier to go directly to a link rather than
have
> to
> > copy it and past it into lynx.  Also, why should we have to use lynx
> anyway.
> > It at this stage is only an out-of-date piece of crap.  It can't
interpret
> > java, activeX, vbs, and who knows how many other things that ie can.
> Also,
> > you shouldn't have to wast your time working so hard on configuring the
> > right alsa drivers for your soundcard.  In windows, you just tell it you
> > have a sound card, and it just does the rest.  Also, home networking is
> > another issue that linux needs to improve on.  You need to compile
support
> > into the colonel, and then do so many things to keep yourself from
beeing
> > hacked. But in windows xp, I just answered a few questions, and voila!
my
> > network was setup!  Now why can't linux be so easy?  Because there's no
> > profit for the people who are working on it.  They have no financial
goal,
> > so most of them make really crappy software.  On the other hand, ms, who
> is
> > working for a profit, has a purpose and goal, so therefore they make
good
> > software.
> > That's just my 2 cents.
> > Feel free to ask me to support it with a full-blown
> > windows-to-linux-back-to-windows convert, namely, A good friend of mine,
> who
> > will be glad to support my point.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow at gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> >
> >
> > > If only winblows used simple config files... instead of having to find
> the
> > > right tab in those huge properties forms.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths at attbi.com>
> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Alex. Check the security tab in internet destroyer. This is what I
> hate
> > > about integration! One thing affects another. I like the separation.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Alex Snow <alex_snow at gmx.net>
> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:46 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I use outlook depress to read email, since my linux box is still in
> > > pieces.
> > > > How can I stop active x controls and other code from launching the
> > files?
> > > > Norton catches them only after the file is opened.  Is there any way
> to
> > > stop
> > > > this?
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths at attbi.com>
> > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:12 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Consensus opinion required - was 'more worms'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Kerry. Well said, no doubt on your statements. I remember the
> days
> > > back
> > > > > when plain text was perhaps the only method for sending e-mail
(late
> > > 80's
> > > > > early 90's). Those were the good days!
> > > > >
> > > > > Gates go to hell, your OS is waiting for you there!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Kerry,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No question about it, things would be a whole lot better if
> > > > > > nobody sent html emails - I only wanted to point out that many
> > > > > > html emails can readily be handled by pine (and perhaps other
> > > > > > mail readers) and also that html email comes with and without
> > > > > > viruses as do plain text emails - banning html is no protection
> > > > > > against viruses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chuck
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chuck I should point out that certain versions
> > > > > > > of pine have contained buffer overflows in the html processing
> > > > elements
> > > > > > > and so did older versions of mutt and lynx.
> > > > > > > I am not taking a stand one way or the other regarding html
> > messages
> > > > > > > except to say that there are dangers in html;
> > > > > > > more so for Windows users than Linux ones but the Linux
dangers
> > > > > > > exist as well.
> > > > > > > I don't mind html if there is an equivalent plain text
section,
> > > > > > > but replying to html only messages causes me grief.
> > > > > > > I for my own reasons choose to send to mailing lists in plain
> text
> > > > > > > to minimize bandwidth usage and also message bloat.
> > > > > > > I encourage people to set their look out distress
> > > > > > > settings to send in plain text where possible but let it reply
> to
> > a
> > > > message
> > > > > > > in the format it was received in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards, Kerry.
> > > > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:16:13AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am still a pine user, and on my system pine reads html
> > messages
> > > > > > > > transparently, no problem. HTML has nothing to do with most
> > > > > > > > viruses. Executable attachments that launch themselves are
the
> > > > > > > > real problem.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Since I've been using mutt to read my mail, I really
haven't
> > > been
> > > > > > > > > affected either way with HTML mail.  When I used pine, it
> was
> > an
> > > > > > > > > annoyance but no more than that.  But I think I would
favor
> a
> > > > blockage
> > > > > > > > > of HTML mail since the reasons sighted below and some
people
> > > still
> > > > use
> > > > > > > > > windows mailers on the list; so go for it!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 07:48:26PM +0100, 'Georgina'
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi All
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Because of the use of html messages being used to
transmit
> > > > Windows
> > > > > > > > > > viruses, I wondered if folks would agree to having list
> > > messages
> > > > > > > > > > restricted to plain text only?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The list owner will act upon whatever the consensus is.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Have your say:
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www.bashonline.org
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Please don't send me MS Word documents, see
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> > > > > > > > > >
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