Computer Science

[Johan Bergström]

In sweden the universities teach lisp/ada/c/c++ and other programming
languages. Not IDE's. At least the ones I know about. There are separate
windows programming classes, at some places, which are specially for
people who enjoy that kind of stuff, where they debug the windows kernel
using softice and stuff like that. They run most of their server in a *nix
based enviroment.

johbe

On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Amanda so true. I am a CS student myself and I know exactly what my college
> teaches. They teach you Visual Basic, html with Javascript,  Visual C++, MS
> SQL, MS Access, and you get the point.
> Almost everything is now Microsoft this, and Microsoft that. In fact all the
> computers in the CS labs have Windows NT on them.
> They use to offer Unix C programming courses, but I don't think they do any
> more. Been a while since I stepped into a class room, and when I went
> through they were just making the switch to MS everything.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amanda Lee <amanda at shellworld.net>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Computer Science
>
>
> > Nope, Unix, Mainframes aren't standard anymore.  The college grads we get
> > these days at Verizon have no clue what Unix or Mainframes are all about.
> > Everything is taught on a Windows-based Platform.  I believe JAVA is
> > taught, probably Visual Basic, Maybe sometimes C Language but usually C
> > Plus Plus which was actually abandoned in the project I work on for
> > straight C Language.
> >
> > I would think in the future though, there will be a change back to at
> > least teaching Linux since it can run on a less expensive platform.  It's
> > pretty disgraceful how the content of Computer Sciences education has been
> > degraded and these kids coming out have an ego bigger than life and think
> > they can take on the World in a day!
> >
> > They really struggle when they can't understand how to program and the
> > quality of code coming out is pretty awful.  There is even this mentality
> > in the Corporate World which indicates that one can learn everything they
> > need to on the job and yet they can't figure out why  there are so many
> > problems with efficiency and the costs resulting from poor efficiency.
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 jwantz at hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Chris,
> > > I'm not going to get involved in the "bookshare wars', but since you
> were
> > > chastizing others on this list because most people use WINDOWS and not
> > > linux, I think its only fair to point out that your computer science
> > > department is very nonstandard.  Though I am a meteorologist, not a
> > > computer science person, I know many computer science students in the
> past
> > > and the present.  Teaching WINDOWS programming is very nonstandard.  I
> > > would guess that at least 90 percent of the schools teach programming on
> a
> > > UNIX variant of some kind.  In the past thre was a fair amount of people
> > > using VMS.  However, a lot of beginning C and C++ classes did use
> > > Turbo/Borland.  WINDOWS programming is much more difficult than UNIX
> > > programming, so I suppose you are to be congratulated for making it
> > > through such a tough curriculum.
> > >
> > >      Jim Wantz
> > >
> > >
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