free programming language

[jwantz at hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov]

Hi Greg,
I haven't really tried any IDE's in Linux--but I never had any problems 
with Borland in either WINDOWS or DOS or Symantec in DOS.  The WINDOWS 
Symantec compiler though was completely inaccessible.  Both the Borland 
IDE debugger and the standalone debbuger are very accessible.  Never 
played with any Microshaft IDE just the command line.

      Jim Wantz
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, 
Gregory Nowak wrote:

> An ide or integrated development enviornment is a visual interface that automatically calls the editor, compiler, debugger ETC. without the programmer needing to learn commands to do theese things. In my experience, they usually don't prove to be very accessible, and it takes more time to use them then it does to just edit and compile the code from the command line. Ron is right about not getting tangled up in ides until you know the programming language well enough. I myself had the fortune of starting out with basic on the braille 'n speak, and then adding to that by using basica under DOS.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 04:09:52AM -0500, Pete wrote:
> > 
> >   What are ides?
> >   Pete
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Marriage" <marriage at seidata.com>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 8:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: free programming language
> > 
> > 
> > Having taught programming languages for over 30 years, I
> > figure to weigh in with my own 2 cents.
> > 
> > First off, if you don't know a programming language now,
> > forget about the compilers, IDEs, etc.
> > You don't want to learn an IDE you want to know how to
> > program.  The skills that you learn will transfer to most
> > other languages.
> > 
> > Basic is available in many flavors, pick one, so it's
> > interpreted, why should you care.  Believe it or not you
> > won't develope the newest MS office suite with it or with
> > any language you start out with.
> > 
> > What you can learn though even with an interpreted language
> > is logic, methodology, and a background that will carry over
> > to more advanced languages, where you will have the chance
> > of doing something worthwhile.
> > 
> > Tie yourself to an IDE now and you won't learn programming
> > ever.  You also won't develope anything more than what you
> > can do by pushing buttons.  An IDE is good only after you
> > learn how to program.
> > 
> > Get basic, play with it a while, then try C or some other
> > higher language.
> > 
> > Lots of languages out there and most work great for specific
> > things. Not eveything is done in C.
> > 
> > After you have some basic skills, decide what it is that you
> > want to do.  You might realize then that the language you
> > want is much easier to decide upon.
> > 
> > Ron
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Alex Snow wrote:
> > >
> > > I would use, and want to learn, basic, if there was a free Compiler and/or
> > > IDE for basic under winblows.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1 at uic.edu>
> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 2:56 PM
> > > Subject: Re: free programming language
> > >
> > > > How about BASIC?
> > > > Greg
> > 
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