speakup howto, was: Re: suggestions for Speakup

[Janina Sajka]

Sorry, Saqib. It was probably me who spread the rumor. And I certainly had 
no basis for it, inasmuch as the IBM linux accessibility website clearly 
says you "agreed to coauthor." I guess I just assumed you held out for a 
little of that do re mi from one of the planet's richest companies.

You mean you only got the resume builder? Well, that's something. Why not 
have them bring you to the linux accessibility conference at CSUN in 
March? They could afford it. I'd ask, were I you. They really do owe you 
something, after all, since they are going to make that do re mi off your 
labor.



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Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Saqib Shaikh wrote:

> Janina and everyone else
> 
> I am *not* getting paid.  I would be interested to know how this little
> conclusion was reached, and fear that rumours may be spreading across the
> email list so I'd like to make it clear that I was contacted by Jennifer
> saying "I'm writing a doc on Speakup, you've done a few docs already, would
> you like to coauthor this one?".  I replied yes.  During last term and my
> Christmas holidays I helped in my free time, between university assignments.
> So it's nothing glamourous.  All the work that I've done be it writing docs
> programs or helping others is purely because I wish to help.  In general I
> am helping someone with a computer five times a day and installing Linux at
> least once a week, even if they live in Australia.
> 
> I'm sure that it was a slip of the fingers, but I would like to clear up the
> mistake.
> 
> Before I go, like everyone money is always in high demand and donations to
> the Saqib Shaikh Piggy Bank fund are always thankfully accepted <grin>.
> 
> Regards, Saqib
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup howto, was: Re: suggestions for Speakup
> 
> 
> > Saqib:
> >
> > I just want to make my position very clear. Nothing I say about this
> > topic, today, yesterday, or tomorrow, is in any way about you--unless I
> > first tell you otherwise, I suppose! <grin> I am certainly aware who the
> > boss is in your relationship with IBM.
> >
> > I do want to say, also, that I think they've done the right thing
> > involving you, and I'm also glad to hear you're getting paid.  They've
> > done a great job, imho, with the emacspeak HOWTO documentation, aand I
> > expect no less with the speakup documentation you and they will create.
> > So, don't say anything you're not supposed to. That certainly isn't
> > necessary here. I expect they'll understand the importance of treating
> > this list the same way they treated the emacspeak list. That is all of
> > what I meant about World War III.
> >
> > As for me, I've initiated another contact channel with IBM. I do think,
> > though that it would be very appropriate for you to pass along the
> > expectations of folks on this list to them.
> >
> >
> >
> >  On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Saqib
> > Shaikh wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not allowed to make everything public but I guess we'll only get a
> bad
> > > name if we stay quiet.  It is *totally separate* from my previous docs -
> IBM
> > > were doing it and why reinvent the heel so they just turned the wheel
> into a
> > > motor-driven wheel with a tyre.
> > >
> > > Saqib
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 7:47 PM
> > > Subject: Re: speakup howto, was: Re: suggestions for Speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > > Gregory:
> > > >
> > > > I don't know. Theyh haven't consulted me on their plans. Why don't we
> just
> > > > ask them to tell us all here on the list?
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > So will this new joint howto be a rewriting and incorperation of
> Saqib's
> > > original howto, or a totally new document?
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 01:36:53PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > > > Excellent questions, Gregory. IBM's Accessibility on Linux page,
> which
> > > is
> > > > > > at:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/linux/projects/access/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > says "The IBM Linux Accessibility Team contributes to the
> open-source
> > > > > > community's accessibility efforts in order to help
> > > > > >    accelerate Linux."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is, of course, an incomplete statement which makes no sense
> on
> > > its
> > > > > > own. What do they mean "accelerate linux?" I suspect they don't
> mean
> > > "make
> > > > > > it run faster," for example. I'm sure there's a word missing in
> that
> > > > > > sentence, but I diagress ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This page goes on to say:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "November 15, 2001
> > > > > >    Saqib Shaikh, author of several Speakup documents, agreed to
> > > coauthor
> > > > > > new Speakup HOWTO with Jennifer Jobst."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since I see no link, I assume they're not offering up any drafts
> just
> > > yet,
> > > > > > but I certainly expect they'll do so before finalizing their
> document.
> > > I
> > > > > > know Jennifer posted a draft of her emacspeak documentation on the
> > > > > > emacspeak list, so I suspect she's lurking here, and will do the
> same
> > > for
> > > > > > us. And, of course, Saqib is active on this list, so perhaps he'd
> like
> > > to
> > > > > > share about this? I do recall he offered us his own, quite
> excellent
> > > > > > speakup HOWTO last spring. Are there other speakup docs you've
> > > written,
> > > > > > Saqib? That one is the only one I'm aware of to date.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now, let me speculate on the real reason IBM is up to all those
> > > wonderful
> > > > > > efforts they proudly list at the url provided above:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe IBM wants to make money selling computers to the U.S.
> > > > > > Government. I believe they want the option to sell systems without
> > > > > > Microsoft applications, and Microsoft operating systems. Recent
> news
> > > > > > stories have explained about contracts from IBM to Redhat for
> ports of
> > > the
> > > > > > Redhat distribution of open source linux for a range of IBM
> servers,
> > > and
> > > > > > even IBM's S390 mainframe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To me, these facts point to the intention to be Sec.508 compliant
> in
> > > > > > systems proposals for U.S. Federal procurments. And, I say, "Amen,
> and
> > > > > > more power to them."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > IBM is authoring a howto about speakup? Where can I find a copy
> to
> > > look at?
> > > > > > > And uhhhm, why are they doing it?
> > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 11:28:21AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Stick to the straight and
> > > > > > > > > narrow and make sure each feature under consideration really
> > > > > > > > > belongs in a screen reader. Examples: the cut and paste
> feature
> > > > > > > > > really did belong; the reinitialization feature really does
> not.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Strongly agree, but with a suggested twist.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The reinitialization feature should go into the HOWTO that
> Saqib
> > > and IBM
> > > > > > > > are authoring about speakup. It's a valuable tip that even
> novice
> > > users
> > > > > > > > can set up for themselves, and learn a little linux in the
> > > process. And,
> > > > > > > > they'll end up with a feature they are likely to find useful,
> and
> > > that
> > > > > > > > they wouldn't come upon very quickly on their own.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Saqib, Jennifer, are you listening??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org