speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0

Sun Dec 30 12:02:58 EST 2001

True.
Greg

On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 11:15:42AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> This is how the world should be.
> 
> But, until such inclusion becomes the well-known norm, shouldn't we have a 
> simple Slack page on the speakup site that says this and includes a 
> hyperlink to a reliable site (with a fast pipe to the net) for downloading 
> Slack 8? Seems to me this would constitute a valuable service to our 
> community and avoid much unneeded tossing about.
>  On Sun, 30 Dec 2001, 
> Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> > No, only slackware 8.0 has speakup in it by default from the slackware team. Previous versions were modified, and the floppies were on the speakup sight.
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 01:04:07AM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> > > Yes, all versions of Slackware 8.0 that I know of have Speakup in them. I
> > > think that is a part of the Slackware distribution now days. Which is really
> > > handy.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar at tamu.edu>
> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 12:12 AM
> > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > but will the iso have speackup in it?
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward at bright.net>
> > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:00 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi, my comments are below in the body of your last message.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Reinhard Stebner <raydar at tamu.edu>
> > > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: speakup 1.0 and slackware 8.0
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Slackware 8 does come with talking boot disks and kernel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The only thing I found on the speakup web site was slackware 7.1 with
> > > > > > speaking boot disks.  Am I missing something?
> > > > >
> > > > > There are plenty of places to tget the 88.0 iso. Try:
> > > > > ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/isos/install.iso
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you so much for your help it means a lot to me.  Here are some
> > > > more
> > > > > > newbee questions.  Could someone please explain how the man page
> > > works?
> > > > > (by
> > > > > > taking a man page and saying what all of the  [] {} and <> mean in
> > > > > context?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The man page program is the help system for Linux. It works a site
> > > better
> > > > > than Windows help, because you can jump strait to a specific topic.
> > > > > The book Red Hat Unleashed 4.0 which is in etext at
> > > > > http://www.blindprogramming.com has a good introduction to using man
> > > > >
> > > > > > How dows one read one screen at a time instead of one line at a time?
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are in an app such as pico a page up and page down will do this
> > > > using
> > > > > the page scrole keys located on the six key block next to the backspace
> > > > key.
> > > > > In man the spacebar takes you to the next page, and to review that page
> > > > > press the plus key on the numpad.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  p> Is there a way to copy that page and save it and then braille out
> > > than
> > > > > man
> > > > > > page?
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I'd have the entire manual entry converted into a text file, save
> > > > it,
> > > > > and then if you wanted it in braille you'd have to configure a braille
> > > > > printer under Linux.
> > > > > If you want it in grade two then you'd have to setup something like
> > > > megadots
> > > > > for dos using the dosemu program.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there any way to have a braille device working with speakup?
> > > > >
> > > > > Not that I am aware of. However, there is an application called
> > > Brailletty
> > > > > that gives braille display support for the consol. You could try it and
> > > > see
> > > > > how it works.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where can I find more docs on the proper feeding and care of my new
> > > os?
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, there are many books and docs out there. For one see the
> > > > documentation
> > > > > cd found in the Red Hat 7.2 directory on the Speakup site.
> > > > > Also I have a book called Slackware Unleashed which is aging, but still
> > > is
> > > > a
> > > > > great book for beginners.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What about speakup (see last quesion).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How hard is it to find documentation on programming un unix/linux?
> > > > > > Is it quite differant from programming under dos?
> > > > >
> > > > > There are a handful of books that deal with Linux specific programming.
> > > > They
> > > > > are all made by Sam's publishing. Teach Yourself Linux C++ programming
> > > in
> > > > 21
> > > > > days, Teach yourself Linux C programming in 24 hours, and teach yourself
> > > > > gtk+ programming in 21 days.
> > > > > I've been trying to get Sam's to make some etext copies for the blind,
> > > but
> > > > > so far no budge. So I've been forced to scan them, and they are not to
> > > > clean
> > > > > scanned.
> > > > > However, if you know c or C++ well enough programming in Linux is not
> > > that
> > > > > much different than in dos.
> > > > > There is also the perl language which is vary portible across platforms,
> > > > and
> > > > > > gtk+ is going to become vary useful to us as Gnopernicus nears
> > > > completion.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Final quesion, what are some do and don'ts when comming to:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) installing and setting up the os
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I'd put Linux on it's own computer if possible. I find it just
> > > > easier
> > > > > than having to manage a multiboot. If not possible i use a drive drawer
> > > > > system that allows me to remove my Linux drive, insert a Windows drive,
> > > > and
> > > > > switch between os's simply and without alot of fuss making a multiboot.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2) running the os
> > > > >
> > > > > Linux is pretty tuff. You should always practice stuff as a normal user,
> > > > and
> > > > > not get in a habbit of doing things as root. Being root all the time
> > > leads
> > > > > to problems if you are not careful.
> > > > > I remember a friend of mine was going to remove a file from his /etc
> > > > folder
> > > > > and typed something like:
> > > > > rm -rf *
> > > > > Before he thought about what he was doing, and where he was, and he
> > > smoked
> > > > > his entire system. Caution as root is vary wize.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > 3) upgrading
> > > > >
> > > > > When I upgrade I typically just do a from scratch install, but it is not
> > > > > necessary. You can upgrade any applications or system files you want,
> > > but
> > > > I
> > > > > tend to update the entire distribution when it comes out.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 4) speakups limitations when comming to the operating this os?
> > > > >
> > > > > Speakup is not a bad tts app, but it's biggest draw back is it will not
> > > > give
> > > > > you any speech access to the x-Windows server, x applications, or
> > > anything
> > > > > with alot of graphical widgits.
> > > > > However, Gnopernicus will be able to do that once it is finished, and
> > > > > released with Gnome 2.0.
> > > > > Speakup also has a problem with announcing which menu item it is on. In
> > > > > programs such as links it will often announce the link aabove the one
> > > you
> > > > > are on, or when going throu a menu driven tool such as linuxconf it will
> > > > say
> > > > > the item above the one you are on, and then the one you are on.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone knows how to fix this behavior please let me know.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you once again for your willingness to help me out.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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