Hewlet Packard and Linux

Gregory Nowak romualt at megsinet.net
Tue Aug 28 20:20:56 EDT 2001


Then what's the difference between it
and win for lin?
Greg


On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 08:01:52AM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> VMWARE is not free by any stretch of the imagination.  Check out 
> www.vmware.com
> for all the particulars about VMWARE.
> 
> 
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:romualt at megsinet.net]
> > Sent: 2001 August 28 7:08 AM
> > To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux
> > 
> > 
> > So, you're saying that if I grab
> > a sightling to help me set up vm ware in X, I can then invoke
> > it and run the other os from the console? 
> > Also, this is free, unlike win for lin, right?
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 11:50:02PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Not exactly. VMware runs over X, but that doesn't mean you 
> > have to do
> > > anything in X once it's all set up. The setup itself is not
> > > accessible--but then, neither is the Windows setup process 
> > accessible.
> > >  On
> > > Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Don't you need to use x for vmware?
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 05:57:32PM -0400, Peter M. Konka wrote:
> > > > > Shaun,
> > > > >
> > > > >          Before I installed Linux on my laptop, i had 
> > the same question in
> > > > > my head.  Will there be any possible chance that I can 
> > install Windows
> > > > > applications under my Linux machine.  The answer is 
> > yes.  You can install
> > > > > windows applications under linux.  I'm not sure exactly 
> > how to do it, but i
> > > > > do know that you need a Windows emulator called VM Ware.
> > > > >
> > > > >          Now, the person you should speak to about this 
> > is Janina, she
> > > > > explained this to me before.
> > > > >
> > > > >          From my understanding about this Windows 
> > eumlator, it basically
> > > > > turns Linux into windows, and allows you to install any windows
> > > > > applications or drivers.
> > > > >
> > > > >          At the moment, i installed Linux on my brand 
> > new Toshiba
> > > > > laptop.  I am running Linux on  a dual boot on this 
> > laptop, because
> > > > > I  wasn't sure if my drivers or hardare rather would be 
> > compatible at
> > > > > all...  I heard a lot of good things about linux, and 
> > if i learn how to use
> > > > > it, i am thinking of switching from Windows to linux on 
> > this machine.  And
> > > > > I have other 2 machines at home and work, which the one 
> > at work I am
> > > > > thinking of backing up my information and formatting 
> > the drive clean and
> > > > > isntalling Linux as the only operating syste.  And I 
> > will also do that on
> > > > > one of the systems at home.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will keep a Windows machine just in case.  But i have 
> > a feeling that
> > > > > linux will become my new favorite operating system 
> > other then dos.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Peter
> > > > >
> > > > > At 11:28 PM 8/25/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > > > > >I've been following this thread for a while. and 
> > haven't decided to say
> > > > > >something until now.
> > > > > >I'm of the oppinion that linux as an operating system 
> > accessable to the
> > > > > >blind, is streets ahead of it's comercial counterparts.
> > > > > >I say this because as a user of both operating 
> > systems, I can see the place
> > > > > >for both of them. I find that windows in a normal 
> > office environment is a
> > > > > >very powerful tool indeed. However, if I could have 
> > the power of linux and
> > > > > >the ease of use of windows all rolled into one, I'd be 
> > a very happy camper.
> > > > > >I mean I'd like the nice frilly bits of microsoft word 
> > and excell and all
> > > > > >that but right at the moment, I haven't seen gpl 
> > console versions of either.
> > > > > >Linux is a great workhorse especially if you want to 
> > run it as a server box
> > > > > >or as a firewall, but I want the durrability of linux 
> > with the ease of use
> > > > > >of windows but I guess for now I'll just have to learn 
> > how to use linux to
> > > > > >it's full potential.
> > > > > >Don't get me wrong here, I'm not complaining, just 
> > stating how I feel on the
> > > > > >whole issue.
> > > > > >Shaun..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh at mhonline.net>
> > > > > >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:59 PM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Charlie and all -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your remarks about DOS are interesting - I was a 
> > DOS fan too and actually
> > > > > > > never moved to Windows, except to support my 
> > Arkenstone Open Book Unbound
> > > > > > > software. My machine is presently a dual boot 
> > machine so I can se Linux to
> > > > > > > get work done or else at boot time select DOS (I 
> > use the Caldera
> > > > > > > OpenDOS) to use my scanner software and one or two 
> > other legacy apps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you remember when DOS was introduced in the 
> > early 80s, version 1.X was
> > > > > > > a lot like CP/M; as it was revised to 2.X and then 
> > 3.X, it gradually
> > > > > > > became a lot more like Unix than CP/M, with a 
> > hierarchical file system,
> > > > > > > batch files, and then later versions even had online help.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now that should tell you something: namely, that 
> > Unix was a mature
> > > > > > > standard for text consoles even in the early 80s 
> > when DOS was being forged
> > > > > > > in Redmond. Linux of course is an Open Source and 
> > contemporary
> > > > > > > implementation of Unix, and is therefore a decade 
> > ahead of the game
> > > > > > > compared to DOS.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Linux is also a fundamentally dual personality 
> > system, with its GUI being
> > > > > > > a robust add-on to the underlying text based console system.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Linux was created as Open Source on the internet 
> > and is maintained and
> > > > > > > developed there. It is a fundamental mistake to 
> > think of it in the same
> > > > > > > market terms as the other major OS. Of course there 
> > is no market for Linux
> > > > > > > accessibility solutions. But there are users and 
> > there is need, and that
> > > > > > > need is being met by and large without benefit of 
> > market concepts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How do people make a living in the Open Source 
> > world? By selling services,
> > > > > > > not products. Products in the Open Source world are 
> > organic things. They
> > > > > > > take root, they grow, they live or die on their 
> > merits, and they both give
> > > > > > > to and take from their users. There would be no 
> > Speakup if it were
> > > > > > > conceived on a marketing model of accessibility 
> > solutions,  trust me on
> > > > > > > that one.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So - don't worry about Linux, it is in there for 
> > the long haul.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was recently tempted to spring for a preinstalled 
> > Linux system when I
> > > > > > > last upgraded, but opted for the "rolling my own" 
> > solution. I am convinced
> > > > > > > that if I had plunked down for a package deal I 
> > would have ended up
> > > > > > > overhauling it anyway.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Will Linux ever be a mass market product suitable 
> > for the people who check
> > > > > > > their email once a week and want their machine to 
> > do what they want, and
> > > > > > > not what they say? Probably not. There may always 
> > be a niche for a
> > > > > > > Windows-type OS with its closely guarded secrets 
> > and predatory practices,
> > > > > > > with all the insides protected from meddling users 
> > and all the decision
> > > > > > > details already made for them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards - and welcome to the list!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chuck
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (46% of Full)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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