Hewlet Packard and Linux

Mon Aug 27 23:50:02 EDT 2001

Not exactly. VMware runs over X, but that doesn't mean you have to do
anything in X once it's all set up. The setup itself is not
accessible--but then, neither is the Windows setup process accessible.
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Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Don't you need to use x for vmware?
> Greg
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 05:57:32PM -0400, Peter M. Konka wrote:
> > Shaun,
> >
> >          Before I installed Linux on my laptop, i had the same question in
> > my head.  Will there be any possible chance that I can install Windows
> > applications under my Linux machine.  The answer is yes.  You can install
> > windows applications under linux.  I'm not sure exactly how to do it, but i
> > do know that you need a Windows emulator called VM Ware.
> >
> >          Now, the person you should speak to about this is Janina, she
> > explained this to me before.
> >
> >          From my understanding about this Windows eumlator, it basically
> > turns Linux into windows, and allows you to install any windows
> > applications or drivers.
> >
> >          At the moment, i installed Linux on my brand new Toshiba
> > laptop.  I am running Linux on  a dual boot on this laptop, because
> > I  wasn't sure if my drivers or hardare rather would be compatible at
> > all...  I heard a lot of good things about linux, and if i learn how to use
> > it, i am thinking of switching from Windows to linux on this machine.  And
> > I have other 2 machines at home and work, which the one at work I am
> > thinking of backing up my information and formatting the drive clean and
> > isntalling Linux as the only operating syste.  And I will also do that on
> > one of the systems at home.
> >
> > I will keep a Windows machine just in case.  But i have a feeling that
> > linux will become my new favorite operating system other then dos.
> >
> > --- Peter
> >
> > At 11:28 PM 8/25/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > >I've been following this thread for a while. and haven't decided to say
> > >something until now.
> > >I'm of the oppinion that linux as an operating system accessable to the
> > >blind, is streets ahead of it's comercial counterparts.
> > >I say this because as a user of both operating systems, I can see the place
> > >for both of them. I find that windows in a normal office environment is a
> > >very powerful tool indeed. However, if I could have the power of linux and
> > >the ease of use of windows all rolled into one, I'd be a very happy camper.
> > >I mean I'd like the nice frilly bits of microsoft word and excell and all
> > >that but right at the moment, I haven't seen gpl console versions of either.
> > >Linux is a great workhorse especially if you want to run it as a server box
> > >or as a firewall, but I want the durrability of linux with the ease of use
> > >of windows but I guess for now I'll just have to learn how to use linux to
> > >it's full potential.
> > >Don't get me wrong here, I'm not complaining, just stating how I feel on the
> > >whole issue.
> > >Shaun..
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh at mhonline.net>
> > >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:59 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux
> > >
> > >
> > > > Charlie and all -
> > > >
> > > > Your remarks about DOS are interesting - I was a DOS fan too and actually
> > > > never moved to Windows, except to support my Arkenstone Open Book Unbound
> > > > software. My machine is presently a dual boot machine so I can se Linux to
> > > > get work done or else at boot time select DOS (I use the Caldera
> > > > OpenDOS) to use my scanner software and one or two other legacy apps.
> > > >
> > > > If you remember when DOS was introduced in the early 80s, version 1.X was
> > > > a lot like CP/M; as it was revised to 2.X and then 3.X, it gradually
> > > > became a lot more like Unix than CP/M, with a hierarchical file system,
> > > > batch files, and then later versions even had online help.
> > > >
> > > > Now that should tell you something: namely, that Unix was a mature
> > > > standard for text consoles even in the early 80s when DOS was being forged
> > > > in Redmond. Linux of course is an Open Source and contemporary
> > > > implementation of Unix, and is therefore a decade ahead of the game
> > > > compared to DOS.
> > > >
> > > > Linux is also a fundamentally dual personality system, with its GUI being
> > > > a robust add-on to the underlying text based console system.
> > > >
> > > > Linux was created as Open Source on the internet and is maintained and
> > > > developed there. It is a fundamental mistake to think of it in the same
> > > > market terms as the other major OS. Of course there is no market for Linux
> > > > accessibility solutions. But there are users and there is need, and that
> > > > need is being met by and large without benefit of market concepts.
> > > >
> > > > How do people make a living in the Open Source world? By selling services,
> > > > not products. Products in the Open Source world are organic things. They
> > > > take root, they grow, they live or die on their merits, and they both give
> > > > to and take from their users. There would be no Speakup if it were
> > > > conceived on a marketing model of accessibility solutions,  trust me on
> > > > that one.
> > > >
> > > > So - don't worry about Linux, it is in there for the long haul.
> > > >
> > > > I was recently tempted to spring for a preinstalled Linux system when I
> > > > last upgraded, but opted for the "rolling my own" solution. I am convinced
> > > > that if I had plunked down for a package deal I would have ended up
> > > > overhauling it anyway.
> > > >
> > > > Will Linux ever be a mass market product suitable for the people who check
> > > > their email once a week and want their machine to do what they want, and
> > > > not what they say? Probably not. There may always be a niche for a
> > > > Windows-type OS with its closely guarded secrets and predatory practices,
> > > > with all the insides protected from meddling users and all the decision
> > > > details already made for them.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards - and welcome to the list!
> > > >
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (46% of Full)
> > > >
> > > >
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